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∂05-Oct-83  1305	TVR at CCRMA 	Hack for DART tapes  
Date: 05 Oct 1983 1130-PDT
From: Tovar <TVR at CCRMA>
Subject: Hack for DART tapes
To:   LCS at CCRMA, LCS at SU-AI 

On SAIL, you might say write DART.HDR[1,TVR] on the front of your tapes, as it
should cause TLIST to work from the beginning of tape instead of having to do
an ADVANCE to skip the first file.
							--- Tovar

∂26-Sep-83  1119	JJW  	MUSIC TRANSCRIBER  
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the "From:" field.  In any case, here's a message intended for you:

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 ∂26-Sep-83  1029	 	MUSIC TRANSCRIBER 
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From: "Hammon Randy%LLL"@LLL-MFE.ARPA
Subject: MUSIC TRANSCRIBER
To: LCS@sail.arpa


  Gio Wiederhold gave me your name as a possible
source of information on computerized music
transcription. I am interested in a reasonable
method of doing such. This probably involves
interfacing a synthesizer equipped with some
sort of parameter transmission bus to a
microcomputer, or possibly to a mini. So far
I have investigated a number of commercially
available models including:
     
   Syntauri: They offer the AlphaSyntauri system
   that has some nice features as a synthesizer
   or multi-track recording system, but their
   Composer's Assistant, a musical transcriber
   that takes files of music stored in the micro
   is totally useless. It actually does turn
   these files into written music, but the format
   must be edited heavily to turn it into anything
   close to something that could be used or having
   a professional look. The editing process takes
   twice as long as would be taken to do it all
   by hand.
  
   Fairlight Instruments: I haven't had a demo
   of this, but it appears to be a superb system.
   The only problem is that it costs around 27k
   including hardware, printers and tons of 
   capabilites that only a serious recording studio
   would be able to use.

   Synclavier: I am waiting for the specs on this,
   but have heard it has the same problems as Fairlight
   does.

   Synergy: They are apparently doing a lot development
   in this area and are "supposed" to be releasing
   a nice music transcriber. Last I heard it was still
   being written, and we all know about vendors and
   their "soon to be available" products.

   What I'm looking for is a system that will allow one
to play music and have it transcribed into some reasonable
format, and then to be edited quickly into a close to
publishable form(I'm not interested in starting a business,
I just think this is reasonable). Is this too much to ask?   
   I would be vey grateful for any information on this.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
-Randy Hammon- Hammon%lll@lll-mfe.arpa

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∂15-Sep-83  1939	esm@Rochester.ARPA  
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Date: 15 Sep 83 12:05:33 EDT (Thu)
From: Eastman School  <esm@Rochester.ARPA>
To: daj@su-ai.ARPA, jos@su-ai.ARPA, lcs@su-ai.ARPA, pat@su-ai.ARPA

Hello-

I realize that you have a notice on the board about 
equipment needs for sessions at the ICMC, but I
just wanted to let you know that you can send the
information to me directly via electronic mail
by sending to: 
		esm@rochester

We are currently compiling a rather long list, so
the sooner we let the necessary personnel know about
the details, the better I will feel.  Thank you for
your cooperation.

Looking forward to seeing you at the conference.

Craig

∂03-Sep-83  1846	PW  	PACKMS    
.r packms

P(ACK), U(NPACK), R(EAD DIR.FILE), D(IRECTORY)?  r

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  pb.pak

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  

TYPE PACK FILE NAME AND EXT.(DEFAULT EXT=.PAK)  ↑C




How is this supposed to work again?  Just send me a ppsav or do file or something.
Thanks.  

∂10-Aug-83  2218	AWN at CCRMA   
Date: 10 Aug 1983 2046-PDT
From: John Strawn <AWN at CCRMA>
To:   LCS at CCRMA, lcs at SU-AI 

Leland:  I have received this message, which I forward to you.  You can
reply to them at ESM@ROCHESTER.    This refers to the Eastman conference.


    ∂10-Aug-83  2044        SYS@SU-AI       Paper Session 
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    From: Eastman School  <esm@Rochester.ARPA>
    Subject: Paper Session
    To: jms@su-ai.ARPA

    Hi-

    I meant to ask you if you see or speak with Leland Smith?  We have been
    trying to find out if he is going to be able to chair a paper session
    at the conference, and Ann Scott thought that we may be able to contact 
    him through the net.  Do have a 'mail login' for us to contact him?

    Thanks,

    Craig

∂26-Jul-83  1715	tsao@ISL  
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Date: Tuesday, 26 Jul 1983 17:17-PDT
To: Leland Smith <LCS at SU-AI>
In-reply-to: Your message of 26 Jul 83  1528 PDT.
From: tsao at ISL

	Thanks for your detailed reply to my question on the Commodore.
I certainly will take up your offer after I come back from vacation (Aug 12).
Incidentally, I also asked you whether or not the Versatec at CCRMA is
in any shape to be used by us, and whether you've perfected your justifying
routines for the input of orchestral scores (so that we can forego using
dummy staves). If so, we can start inputting  my MA project. What are
the commands like?

∂25-Jul-83  1016	tsao@ISL 	Miscellaneous  
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Date: Monday, 25 Jul 1983 10:18-PDT
To: lcs at SAIL
Subject: Miscellaneous
From: tsao at ISL

	I saw the Commodore Vic-20 selling at Gemco for $87. I seem to recall 
that you used to rave about that thing. The Vic-64 is also on sale there for
about $199. What do you think as far as the prices are concerned? Are they 
reliable?
	Also, is the Versatec at CCRMA fixed? Can we operate it without your
help? If so, what are the commands?
	Before we start inputting my MA project, we would like to know whether
your justifying routines for scores work. Then, we wouldn't have to use dummy
lines. If they work, can you tell us what the relevant commands are?


∂02-Jul-83  2058	HYS  	perc. symbols 
I have now copied on [1,LCS] all of my code 11 library, to wit: PERC.DMD,
CRLN.DMD, and CRS.DMD.  Also PICT.MS.  Unfortunately, I have no time at
the moment to write documentation on them; suffice to know that those files
are needed to read any of my music I've put on the system.

If any future musicologists wants to know which pieces of mine are buried
in my area on MUSIC5, here is the list:
Promenade (1978), for trombone and perc.
Four Poems on Springtime (1980), for mezzo and chamber orch.
Conjunct Motion (1980), for cl. fg. cor. cb. pfte.
Voyages (1981), for 'cello and strings
Scherzo fantasque (1981), for violin and piano
"Hot ice and wondrous strange snow" (1982), for organ solo
Diurne (1982), for piano four-hands
Dream-troupe (1983), for 'cello and piano

Parts have been extracted wherever relevant.

I'm not at all sure how graceful a clean-up job I'll be able to do before
I leave for good.  Certainly I'm the only person who can find anything in
my area.  If MS ever gets available elsewhere, I hope to be able to get back
at all of those files in some form.

One more piece on the list:
Intermezzo (1971, rev. 1981), for full orch.

∂22-Jun-83  1425	LCS at CCRMA   
Date: 22 Jun 1983 1308-PDT
From: Leland Smith <LCS at CCRMA>
To:   LCS at SU-AI

G9:	MOVE RZ,.COMM.		;IF(R2.LE.900..AND.R2.NE.RN(L+2))GO TO GX
	CAMG RZ,[900.0]		; SET R2=999 TO LOOK AT ALL STAVES
	CAMN RZ,1(R)		;IF(R2.NE.RN(L+2))GO TO GX
	SKIPA
	JRST GX
   	MOVE	A,2(R)		;RN(L+3) IS IN A
	CAML	A,.COMM.+5 ;R4	***	CAML	A,RR4	;R4
	CAMLE	A,.COMM.+6 ;R5	***	CAMLE	A,RR4+1
	JRST	G2	;9	IF(OUTLIM(R4,R5,RN(L+3)))GO TO 2
LIM:	AOJ	J,   	;  IN LIMITS?


∂20-Jun-83  2224	LCS at CCRMA   
Date: 20 Jun 1983 2217-PDT
From: Leland Smith <LCS at CCRMA>
To:   LCS at SU-AI

	IF(I1.EQ.LEL)GO TO 680
C  L = LEFT, LP=LIGHT PEN, LI=LINE UP VERTICALLY

	IF(I1.EQ.LJJ)GO TO 1770
C  J = JUSTIFY   JT=JUSTIFY TEXT  JV=JUSTIFY VERTICALLY

680	IF(I1.EQ.LEE)GO TO 690
C ABOVE FOR 'ED' (WITH LIGHT PEN)
	IF(I2.NE.LII)GO TO 685
C *** LI = LINE UP ALL STAVES BASED ON STAFF 0
	IF(X22.NE.0)GO TO 130
CAN'T DO IT IF IN EDIT MODE
	CALL MSSET(1)
C THE 1 IN MSSET BECOMES 1*8-1=7 (FOR STAVES 0-7)
CC	CALL MSSET(R2,R4,R5,1,ITEM,NO,P,RHYX)
	GO TO 1320
685	IF(X22.EQ.0)GO TO 130

!
1770	IF(I2.EQ.IBLA)GO TO 1780
	IF(I2.EQ.LDD)GO TO 1060
C NOW 'CD', WHEN NOT IN EDIT MODE = CENTER ALL DASHES ON A LINE. (USES GRED)
	RD=43
C NEXT FOR ME=MENO=81 MOLTO=90 CRESC.=70 MP=43 MF=50, ALSO 'MACRO'
	IF(I2.EQ.LAA)GO TO 2400
	IF(I2.EQ.LFF)RD=50
	IF(I2.EQ.LOH)RD=90
	IF(I2.EQ.LEE)RD=81
	IF(I2.EQ.LRR)RD=70
	IF(I2.EQ.LTT)GO TO 1780
CCRMA	IF(I2.NE.LTT)GO TO 880
C JT=JUSTIFY TEXT (ONLY 1 STAFF AT A TIME)
	IF(I2.NE.LVV)GO TO 880
	IF(X22.NE.0)GO TO 260
C JV=JUSTIFY STAVES VERTICALLY (IN MSSUB.F4)
1775	CALL JUSTAV
	GO TO 1320
1780	CALL MOVER

∂06-Jun-83  0135	HYS  	clean-up and storage    
It looks as if I have finished my last significant manuscripting project
before I take off for good, now that I've done both the score and the part
for my new cello-and-piano piece.  I certainly would like to show the piece
to you at some point.  The piece is definitely vintage Shen.

One thing which I will need to do before leaving is to get everything on 
MUSIC5 under [220,HYS] in cold storage, presumably at CCRMA.  Please advise
on how to do this.  Also, you had advised a while back to make a copy of
[DAT,LCS] on MUSIC5, to be put under [DAT,HYS].  Are those files doing any
good in my area?

Is there any chance that you will have an exportable version of MS under
any form?  In that case, maybe I should have a tape copy of MUSIC5:*.*[220,HYS]
to take with me.  I will certainly miss your program.  Perhaps you could
convince Harvard to set up MS.  If it so happens that MS at some point would
be useable on some home machine, I'd certainly would like to hear about it.
It will be very hard to get back to pen-and-ink, especially since I've
started to sketch an orchestration for my 4-hand piece.

∂04-Jun-83  2212	HYS  	PAGE bug 
If you feel like grubbing around MUSIC5, the part extractor runs afoul
DREHC.MS and DREHD.MS [220,HYS].  If you make a control file which reads
DREHC.MS 1 1, and run it through the part extractor for the instrument
CELLO, you'll get an ill mem ref.  Running only DREHC or only DREHD does
not cause this problem.  Apparently, the problem has to do with the cue
extractor on staff 2 in DREHC.  Zeroing P10 for code 2 eliminates the
problem, though it also eliminates the cue.  I ended up by doing without
the cue.  There may also be some problem with DREMA or DREMB along the
same lines.  Somehow, I managed to railroad the entire piece through
(the complete control file is DREAM.).

VRN has run out of paper.



∂14-May-83  2224	HYS  	MStifying
I was looking for an inverse mordant with a flat on top, and found that you
didn't have one.  Ah well; I suppose you have to be a real classicist to
want one of those.  I put a flat on top separately.

Why is that, for normal notes, P6← 0 for black notes, and P6← -1 for white
ones, whereas when P4 ← X +200 (for diamond shapes), P6 ←0 for white diamonds,
and P6← -1 for black diamonds??  Unfortunately, there does not seem to be
a nice global command to get all the diamonds the right colour (and believe
it or not, I did find a use for a black diamond!)

Still using MS.OLD for justifying.

I'm not sure if I'll ever get used to using pen and ink again.  One project
I'm thinking of is orchestrating my recent 4-hand piece, and choice of paper
format is already a problem in itself.  If you can an MS I could use in
Cambridge, I'll never have to worry about pen and ink.

∂10-May-83  1802	tsao@ISL 	UNIX to FOONLY tapes
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To: lcs at SAIL
Subject: UNIX to FOONLY tapes
From: tsao at ISL


	I have found a command `dd' on Unix that probably does what you
were told the `copy' command did. However, there are several format
conversions available. I have appended these below. If ebcdic or ibm
format is more suitable for your machine, let me know. Otherwise, I
shall attempt a direct (ascii) copy. 

Extract from manual:
     conv=ascii     convert EBCDIC to ASCII
          ebcdic    convert ASCII to EBCDIC
          ibm       slightly different map of ASCII to EBCDIC


     The ASCII/EBCDIC conversion tables are taken from the 256
     character standard in the CACM Nov, 1968.  The `ibm' conver-
     sion, while less blessed as a standard, corresponds better
     to certain IBM print train conventions.  There is no univer-
     sal solution.

					- tsao

∂02-May-83  0000	HYS  	Bug in justifying  
For a good time, take DREAA.DAT and DREAC.DAT from [220,HYS], read them in MS,
and then justify them.  In DREAA, I did  J 11 20 200, and in DREAC,
J 11 0 200.  Luckily, J did not screw up in MS.OLD.  As you can see, I need
to do much to justify my work.

Those files are from my new 'cello-and-piano piece which I hope I can knock
off here before I move.  One thing which I hope you will consider some day
is how to extend the end bracket to the 8va sign; you will see the problem
in DREAA.  Now that I'm cranking out yet another piece using piano, I am
once again using a lot of 8va bassa; you should really add the O- option
to score input mode.  (Even Chopin uses 8va bassa, so I don't think I'm
such a weirdo in writing a lot for that register.  I see that you have made
no provision for a 15ma bassa sign at all.)